And no, except for Jayne we don’t seem to be counting civilian deaths. Certainly not foreign civilian deaths.

I’ve heard that if you have to resort to violence, you’ve already lost.

Have we considered the reasons for terrorists attacks and armed conflicts? Could it be disparate economic inequality? Could it be that certain people feel humiliated by nations and organizations policies and attitudes toward themselves?

There are some really messed up people out there, but rather than ask how can we prevent them from going off their rockers and increasing their numbers, we bomb, we invade, and we give them more of a reason than they had before to pull more heinous crimes against us.

We treated the entire terrorist problem incorrectly, trying to remove the infection surgically, and now we understand that it is like some out of control virus that evolves and adapts to our attacks.

Insurgents are using infared detenators on roadside bombs now because we’ve stopped their amateur-like string tied to dead weight triggers.

Anonymous Coward, I feel that the war in Iraq was based on false intel, was poor foreign policy backed up by even more misguided planning and only proves that our leadership lacks depth and intelligence.

Or, you could just call it a clusterfuck.

Hi all. I’m back.

Anon Cow – The winners write the history, don’t they?

Shepard – Just when the spark threatens to turn into a real conflagration, here you come with your bucket of water…

Jayne – A fine public service, collating all those death statistics. As for the proliferation of information, have you noticed the mockery directed at bloggers by the mainstream press and (corrupt) government officials?

G.D. – I will wait for you forever.

i don’t want to waste my precious insults…ahem, insight.

I’m not going to weigh in here other than to say if you’re going to send our troops somewhere to kill and be killed, there better be a DAMNED good reason (and not mere corporate/political interests)

Oh, and to say I think things are getting better, particularly with the proliferation of information. Harder to lie to the masses these days.

I support Larry in his right to say (and do so quite eloquently and non-offensively) whatever the hell he wants. The comments were not inflamatory or factually flawed, and Larry clarified things succinctly. I also agree with Tacit1.

AC has been respectful, and deserves credit for that. But if pro *or* anti-war arguments were so easily debunked, we wouldn’t have the country torn down the middle over the issue, and quibbling over semantics. It’s an emtional issue, like religion, and no one is going to reach agreement here. Agree to disagree.

~S

just one thing.

Primitive warfare methods and better hygiene/medicine will have a huge effect on numbers as will methods of warfare.

You’re not measuring like with like AC.

going now.